討論成員:SaigonSarang
Re: Quocngu-Hannom Converter Feedback
All words checked and updated. I'll send a new version soon. Thanks and I'm willing to see more corrections! ----
Re: Why 成員:Keepout2010/標準漢喃(New_List) was deleted?
In fact I don't mean that the content is useless. Instead, I've archived them in my PC just for a republish with a complete list of Han-Noms. What is abolished is just some choice of characters, not the explanation after them. I'm now a kind of busy so I'll publish it later. Or, you can help me to sort it out in a complete A-Z list if possible.
- New chosen characters in a complete list are here. You can refer the format that was used in 成員:Keepout2010/標準漢喃(New_List) to start the work. I'll also start it soon.
杜澎栩 （討論） 01:29, 次𠀧, 𣈜5𣎃1𢆥2016 (ICT)
Why use 鐵 for sắt？
In both Dictionnaire Annamite-Français and Dictionnaire Annamite-Français, sắt is written as 鉄. I think that this character is not a "俗字" of "鐵" but a new phono-semantic compound characters (形聲字): 金 as radical and 失 as phonetic.
兩字典中 sắt 都作「鉄」。我認爲此字並非「鐵」之俗字，而是「從金，失聲」的一個喃字，只是恰好和漢字文化圈內其他地區的「鐵」俗字同形了而已。--
- Re: Understood. Now I think it's reasonable. One thing interesting: From Proto-Vietic *k-rac (“iron”). Perhaps a borrowing from Old Chinese 鐵／铁 (SV: thiết); compare Proto-Sino-Tibetan *hljak. This means that they are probably cognates and now they share a same character again lol. --
杜澎栩 （討論） 18:58, 次𠀧, 𣈜23𣎃2𢆥2016 (ICT)
易「城舖」爲「城庯」之議
可參考此處。-
余編輯之論據亦同上，望斟酌定奪。-七个点 (討論) 23:33, 次𠄼, 𣈜11𣎃1𢆥2018 (+07)
- Thanks for the explanation. Is 庯 here a Chunom or Chuhan?--SaigonSarang (討論) 11:50, 次𦉱, 𣈜27𣎃1𢆥2018 (+07)
- Yes, I saw 庯 in the source you just provided, and the articles are in Classical Chinese. So it probably a Chuhan. And, do you think 庯 is a Variant character of another Chuhan? @Keepout2010 --SaigonSarang (討論) 11:13, 主日, 𣈜28𣎃1𢆥2018 (+07)
- In Chinese there're just examples with completely different meanings Example 1Example 2. Anyway, 舗/鋪 don't have an variant written as 庯. Another point I need to say is that I did not change the original text when I reprinted an article from the wiki incubator years ago, and neither did I study it. This may be the reason that later participants also used this character. I think since there are enough evidences, it's reasonable to use a character that has more support.漢文「庯」諸義皆遠殊於「舗/鋪」，不似其異體。初余未攷其字，直錄漢喃於 Wiki Incubator，後之覽者以爲正字，以是未嘗更易也。今既存文獻，當循其本。--
杜澎栩 （討論） 02:17, 次𠀧, 𣈜30𣎃1𢆥2018 (+07)
- In Chinese there're just examples with completely different meanings Example 1Example 2. Anyway, 舗/鋪 don't have an variant written as 庯. Another point I need to say is that I did not change the original text when I reprinted an article from the wiki incubator years ago, and neither did I study it. This may be the reason that later participants also used this character. I think since there are enough evidences, it's reasonable to use a character that has more support.漢文「庯」諸義皆遠殊於「舗/鋪」，不似其異體。初余未攷其字，直錄漢喃於 Wiki Incubator，後之覽者以爲正字，以是未嘗更易也。今既存文獻，當循其本。--
- @Keepout2010: I personally agree with you. I'm going to open a discussion page about "Thành phố", for collecting more opinions. --SaigonSarang (討論) 10:48, 次四, 𣈜31𣎃1𢆥2018 (+07)
君將板母:歡迎置於余“成員頁”為何故？
余不解甚矣。-七个点 (討論) 23:44, 次𠄼, 𣈜11𣎃1𢆥2018 (+07)
- Sorry for the mistake. I've revised it. Thanks.--SaigonSarang (討論) 11:46, 次𦉱, 𣈜27𣎃1𢆥2018 (+07)
Chunom Help
Hello Mr SaigonSarang,
Nice to meet you.
Could you help write this passage into Chunom?:
- Vì Thượng Đế quá yêu nhân loại đến nỗi hi sinh Con Một của Ngài, để ai đặt niềm tin vào Con ấy sẽ không bị chết mất nhưng được sống đời đời.
Using an online converter, I get:
- 為 上 帝 𬨨 腰 人 類 旦 餒 hi 生 𡥵 𠬠 𧵑 𧍋 , 底 埃 達 念 信 𠓨 𡥵 意 仕 空 被 𣩂 𠅎 仍 特 𤯩 𠁀 𠁀 .
Any help in fixing the errors would be appreciated.
Thank you. --Jackon (討論) 09:53, 次𦉱, 𣈜17𣎃2𢆥2018 (+07)
- @Jackon Get it: 爲上帝過𢞅人類𦤾餒犧牲𡥵𠬠𧵑𠊛、抵唉撻念信𠓨𡥵𪬫𠱊空被𣩂𠅎仍得𤯨𠁀𠁀。--S7w4j9 (討論) 16:43, 次𦉱, 𣈜17𣎃2𢆥2018 (+07)
- @Jackon: Thanks to S7w4j9, I think it is the right answer. --SaigonSarang (討論) 13:08, 次𦒹, 𣈜23𣎃2𢆥2018 (+07)
Re: About the file file:chucmungnammoi2019.png
It's a new font project in progress based on Yu Mincho. As for "mới", here is the occurrence of its in-unicode variants based on classical Nom texts that I can collect (From Nomf.'s digital texts).
- 買 57
- 㵋 3
- 𪦲 3
Since the 假借 is not suitable for modern usage, 買 could be excluded. And then I prefer the simpler one.
- That's the Keepout2010 style, also now I am prefer the simpler one, but I choise the complex character when I writing the articles, just want to make more clear with the more stroke. Sounds contradictory, right? (smile)--S7w4j9 (討論) 01:45､ 次𠀧､ 𣈜12𣎃2𢆥2019 (+07)
mediawiki
您好，目前Mediawiki已经更新到了1.38，本维基目前已经严重脱节。现在不知管理員是否有意向更新/Xin chào, Mediawiki đã được cập nhật lên 1.38 và wiki này hiện đã mất liên lạc nghiêm trọng. Bây giờ tôi không biết nếu người quản lý có ý định cập nhật ——討論悁𥱬𠸜尼羅𧵑UIKIPD（討論・㨂𢵰）𠓨𣅶 10:32､ 主日､ 𣈜12𣎃6𢆥2022。
- Sẽ được cập nhật trong nửa năm nữa--SaigonSarang(討論) 08:54､ 次𠄩､ 𣈜13𣎃6𢆥2022 (+07)
Vì vậy, nó tương đương với việc cập nhật vào năm tới? Đồng thời, tiếng Anh của giao diện có thể được thay thế bằng tiếng Trung Quốc truyền thống không? ——討論悁𥱬𠸜尼羅𧵑UIKIP（討論・㨂𢵰）𠓨𣅶 05:49､ 次𠄩､ 𣈜13𣎃6𢆥2022。
- Bạn có thể thay đổi ngôn ngữ giao diện sang tiếng Anh hoặc tiếng Trung Phồn thể bằng cách nhấp vào 隨譔 ở trên cùng bên phải màn hình.--SaigonSarang(討論) 14:52､ 次𠄩､ 𣈜13𣎃6𢆥2022 (+07)