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 # They are: 吏 （Both of them) - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
 # 吏 - 2013/12/20 15:27:37 - '''[https://www.facebook.com/sky.darmos Sky Darmos]''' {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 16:08 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
+# I would still use 吏 for both, as that was the most commonly used in the 19th century, when Nôm was becoming more regular. - 2013/12/20 '''[https://www.facebook.com/kadri.kirikumees Kadri Kirikumees]''' {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
+# I tend to regard "again" as the result of a de-lexicalization or generalization of "to come". Similar to 旦 ĐẾN "to arrive" generalized to "until, up to". Or 𧵑 CỦA "belongings" generalized to "from, of". This phenomenon is frequent in Vietnamese. So for me 吏 is both, noun and adverb. - 2013/12/20 '''[https://www.facebook.com/trung4 Trung Nguyen]''' {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
+# 吏 and 吏. Ok, because I love the simplier thing. - 2013/12/20 '''[https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1535424222 阮大瞿越]''' {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
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 # They are: 吏 （Both of them) - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
 # 吏 - 2013/12/20 15:27:37 - '''[https://www.facebook.com/sky.darmos Sky Darmos]''' {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 16:09 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
+# I would still use 吏 for both, as that was the most commonly used in the 19th century, when Nôm was becoming more regular. - 2013/12/20 '''[https://www.facebook.com/kadri.kirikumees Kadri Kirikumees]''' {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
+# I tend to regard "again" as the result of a de-lexicalization or generalization of "to come". Similar to 旦 ĐẾN "to arrive" generalized to "until, up to". Or 𧵑 CỦA "belongings" generalized to "from, of". This phenomenon is frequent in Vietnamese. So for me 吏 is both, noun and adverb. - 2013/12/20 '''[https://www.facebook.com/trung4 Trung Nguyen]''' {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
+# 吏 and 吏. Ok, because I love the simplier thing. - 2013/12/20 '''[https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1535424222 阮大瞿越]''' {{pp|[[成員:SaigonSarang|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang|討論]]) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
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