討論準化:Tôi

Tôi¹

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The voting was finished and the Standard Nom has been determined (Please do not change the contents). - 碎 - 11/25 (44.0%), >60-Day. SaigonSarang (討論) 21:22, 次𦒹, 𣈜5𣎃5𢆥2017 (ICT)

• 碎

1. i normally use 碎. - Duc Doan ［SaigonSarang (討論) 17:10 𣈜27𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)］
2. I will use 碎 for Tôi (I, me ...) and (臣卒) for: Bề tôi (courtiers). / In this case I will use 碎. - Châu Hải Đường ［SaigonSarang (討論) 17:35 𣈜27𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)］
3. I use 碎 for "I, me". - Lê Huy Hoàng ［SaigonSarang (討論) 17:35 𣈜27𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)］
4. --SaigonSarang (討論) 17:35 𣈜27𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)
5. 碎. there is only this one character listed in giúp đọc Nôm và Hán Việt. anything which is missing there I regard as super-rare. and therefore I would never choose it. - 12/27, 8:59pm 成員:Sky Darmos Sky Darmos ［SaigonSarang (討論) 09:08 𣈜30𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)］
6. Ok… now I could check Truyen Kieu, Luc Van Tien, Tam Thien Tu, Ngu Thien Tu, Taberd and Huinh Tinh Paulus all have 碎. I've seen this one 臣卒 once, I think in the Nhat Thien Tu, I would choose 碎. / Yes, that was actually the original meaning of the word, I think, before it became a general word for "I", and in texts like Truyen Kieu it has shades of that meaning. I would say it's a bit like saying "your humble servant" instead of "I" in English. I think many texts will use 碎 for all of the different shades of meaning. / yes, that one. - Kadri Kirikumees ［SaigonSarang (討論) 09:08 𣈜30𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)］
7. i prefer 碎 because it is the most common on old texts.....but for purposes of differentiation from standard Chinese i will accept the usage of 亻碎. - 12/27, 3:47pm Arben Anthony Saavedra Quitos ［SaigonSarang (討論) 09:25 𣈜30𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)］
8. [1] How can there be any doubt that it is something else than 碎? / yes 碎, only in Neo-Nom I would maybe use 倅. Trung Nguyen ［SaigonSarang (討論) 09:32 𣈜30𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)］
9. Hi，for "me/I" you can use”碎“, others can be accepted but this is best choice. - Nguyễn Ngọc Thanh ［SaigonSarang (討論) 09:40 𣈜2𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)］
10. This character simplest - Trần Viễn Fiơng (討論) 02:44、次𠄼、𣈜17𣎃4𢆥2014 (ICT)
11. This character is the most commonly used and the simplest out of the 2 most voted. --KTran98 (討論) 09:16, 次𠀧, 𣈜2𣎃5𢆥2017 (ICT)

• 碎（亻碎）

1. Though 碎 may be the most traditional one, I prefer to adding 亻 to make the meaning clearer.-杜澎栩(Đỗ Bành Hủ)（討論） 12:05 𣈜27𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)
2. 形聲兼得，且不失美觀，此為最佳。--井浩澤 (討論) 12:22 𣈜27𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)
3. since CJVK-ExtC was available, I prefer 碎（亻碎） for both 我 and 臣. - Nguyễn Việt Khôi ［SaigonSarang (討論) 17:35 𣈜27𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)］
4. [2] - Việt Quốc Hàn Nho ［SaigonSarang (討論) 09:15 𣈜30𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)］
5. [3] - Esther Xiao Jia Jia ［SaigonSarang (討論) 09:15 𣈜30𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)］
6. [4] - Goto Hiroki ［SaigonSarang (討論) 09:15 𣈜30𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)］
7. [5] - 蔡博全 ［SaigonSarang (討論) 09:15 𣈜30𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)］
8. I prefer 񣑌 (亻碎) but since it's not yet encoded I replace it with 碎 or (colloquially) 倅. - 2/27, 5:22pm Chung Van Dao ［SaigonSarang (討論) 09:25 𣈜30𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)］
9. I often use 亻碎 when writing "tôi" in Nôm. - Nam Long ［SaigonSarang (討論) 09:56 𣈜2𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)］
10. 三木齋 (討論) 18:26 𣈜3𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)
11. I choose this

• 𫇈（臣卒）

• Other

• 倅

1. I will use either 倅 or 吾+卒. / then it would be 倅 as the other character is extremely rare. / then the middle ooe is 石 and mean rock and again what is the point in having such one in there. Wouldn't 倅 make more sense. - 朱愛國 ［SaigonSarang (討論) 17:35 𣈜27𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)］
2. 三木齋 (討論) 18:26 𣈜3𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)
3. Because it's easy? annnnnd........倅 makes more sense because it has 人 in it  ?
4. I think that 卒 fits best, but since 卒 is quite common (similarly 碎 is also a common character) I think that 倅 is the most logical option and follows the same logic as 碎, but is even easier to write.--Rly189 (討論) 16:21, 次𠀧, 𣈜2𣎃5𢆥2017 (ICT)

• 卒

1. Just aS 卒 IS ok. / 卒 就可以，没必要用 碎. 但我认为用碎也没有错，只是选择而已！ - Tiếu Chi ［SaigonSarang (討論) 09:40 𣈜2𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)］