討論準化:Với - 歷史𠊝𢷮

SaigonSarang：𠊝替文本－「討論‐成員:」成「討論成員:」

2025-03-25T08:59:21Z

𠊝替文本－「討論‐成員:」成「討論成員:」

←番版𫇰		番版𣅶15:59、𣈜25𣎃3𢆥2025
𣳔4：		𣳔4：
	=={{discussion}}==		=={{discussion}}==
	* '''貝'''		* '''貝'''
	# 1. Với (with, and): 貝; 2. Với (to reach): 𢭲. 𠇍 is Mấy, not Với. In Vietnamese, one of the means of Mấy is mean Với. But 𠇍 can not to read Với. (It is only on the means). [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/684669481565015/] - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 11:56 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# 1. Với (with, and): 貝; 2. Với (to reach): 𢭲. 𠇍 is Mấy, not Với. In Vietnamese, one of the means of Mấy is mean Với. But 𠇍 can not to read Với. (It is only on the means). [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/684669481565015/] - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 11:56 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/684669481565015/] - '''[https://www.facebook.com/trung4 Trung Nguyen]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:08 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/684669481565015/] - '''[https://www.facebook.com/trung4 Trung Nguyen]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:08 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# Với, 貝 - {{fbu-kk}} {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:27 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}		# Với, 貝 - {{fbu-kk}} {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:27 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}


	* '''𢭲'''		* '''𢭲'''
	# I use 𢭲 for both because context is easy enough to distinguish between the two. - 12/23, 6:15pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/thevanarch Chung Van Dao]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:21 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# I use 𢭲 for both because context is easy enough to distinguish between the two. - 12/23, 6:15pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/thevanarch Chung Van Dao]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:21 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:23 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)		# --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:23 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)
	# 貝 for bối, 𠇍 for mấy, then 𢭲 for với -- [[成員:Congdantoancau\|Congdantoancau]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:Congdantoancau\|討論]]) 01:48、次𠄼、𣈜17𣎃4𢆥2014 (ICT)		# 貝 for bối, 𠇍 for mấy, then 𢭲 for với -- [[成員:Congdantoancau\|Congdantoancau]] ([[討論成員:Congdantoancau\|討論]]) 01:48、次𠄼、𣈜17𣎃4𢆥2014 (ICT)

	* '''某'''		* '''某'''
𣳔18：		𣳔18：

	* '''𠇍'''		* '''𠇍'''
	# 𢭲:reach, 𠇍:with. [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/684669481565015/] - '''[https://www.facebook.com/ThmenhChey Nguyễn Việt Khôi]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:08 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# 𢭲:reach, 𠇍:with. [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/684669481565015/] - '''[https://www.facebook.com/ThmenhChey Nguyễn Việt Khôi]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:08 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# [[成員:Keepout2010\|<ruby><rb>杜澎栩</rb><rp>(</rp><rt>Đỗ Bành Hủ</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>]]（[[~~討論‐成員~~:Keepout2010\|討論]]） 12:32 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)		# [[成員:Keepout2010\|<ruby><rb>杜澎栩</rb><rp>(</rp><rt>Đỗ Bành Hủ</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>]]（[[討論成員:Keepout2010\|討論]]） 12:32 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)
	# loan characters dont count! 𢭲 is for the verb meaning, and the one looking like the bottom part of 忝 is the 介詞. - '''[https://www.facebook.com/sky.darmos Sky Darmos]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:18 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# loan characters dont count! 𢭲 is for the verb meaning, and the one looking like the bottom part of 忝 is the 介詞. - '''[https://www.facebook.com/sky.darmos Sky Darmos]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:18 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}

	* '''買'''		* '''買'''
𣳔35：		𣳔35：

	=={{discussion}}==		=={{discussion}}==
	{{HideH\|{{vf\|'''𢭲 - 7/7 (100%)'''. [[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:41 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}}}		{{HideH\|{{vf\|'''𢭲 - 7/7 (100%)'''. [[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:41 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}}}
	* '''貝'''		* '''貝'''

𣳔43：		𣳔43：

	* '''𢭲'''		* '''𢭲'''
	# 1. Với (with, and): 貝; 2. Với (to reach): 𢭲. 𠇍 is Mấy, not Với. In Vietnamese, one of the means of Mấy is mean Với. But 𠇍 can not to read Với. (It is only on the means). [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/684669914898305/] - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 11:56 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# 1. Với (with, and): 貝; 2. Với (to reach): 𢭲. 𠇍 is Mấy, not Với. In Vietnamese, one of the means of Mấy is mean Với. But 𠇍 can not to read Với. (It is only on the means). [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/684669914898305/] - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 11:56 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# 𢭲:reach, 𠇍:with. [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/684669914898305/] - '''[https://www.facebook.com/ThmenhChey Nguyễn Việt Khôi]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:08 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# 𢭲:reach, 𠇍:with. [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/684669914898305/] - '''[https://www.facebook.com/ThmenhChey Nguyễn Việt Khôi]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:08 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# 𢭲 might be read vói. At least, I know it as vói (maybe it's southern accent?) That could explain why Taberd, Génibrel, and Bonet don't list it under với but under vói. Can sombody check with other older dictionaries? [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/684669914898305/] - '''[https://www.facebook.com/trung4 Trung Nguyen]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:08 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# 𢭲 might be read vói. At least, I know it as vói (maybe it's southern accent?) That could explain why Taberd, Génibrel, and Bonet don't list it under với but under vói. Can sombody check with other older dictionaries? [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/684669914898305/] - '''[https://www.facebook.com/trung4 Trung Nguyen]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:08 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# [[成員:Keepout2010\|<ruby><rb>杜澎栩</rb><rp>(</rp><rt>Đỗ Bành Hủ</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>]]（[[~~討論‐成員~~:Keepout2010\|討論]]） 12:32 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)		# [[成員:Keepout2010\|<ruby><rb>杜澎栩</rb><rp>(</rp><rt>Đỗ Bành Hủ</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>]]（[[討論成員:Keepout2010\|討論]]） 12:32 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)
	# loan characters dont count! 𢭲 is for the verb meaning, and the one looking like the bottom part of 忝 is the 介詞. - '''[https://www.facebook.com/sky.darmos Sky Darmos]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:18 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# loan characters dont count! 𢭲 is for the verb meaning, and the one looking like the bottom part of 忝 is the 介詞. - '''[https://www.facebook.com/sky.darmos Sky Darmos]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:18 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# I use 𢭲 for both because context is easy enough to distinguish between the two. - 12/23, 6:15pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/thevanarch Chung Van Dao]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:21 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# I use 𢭲 for both because context is easy enough to distinguish between the two. - 12/23, 6:15pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/thevanarch Chung Van Dao]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:21 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:23 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)		# --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:23 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)


	* '''喟'''		* '''喟'''
	{{HideF}}		{{HideF}}

SaigonSarang：/* {{discussion}} */

2014-07-08T07:48:24Z

←番版𫇰		番版𣅶14:48、𣈜8𣎃7𢆥2014
𣳔26：		𣳔26：

	* '''众'''		* '''众'''


	* '''唄'''		* '''唄'''
	# Me and Trung mostly use 唄 for this. 貝 is the common phonetic loan, and the mouth indicates that it does not mean "貝". {{Unsigned\|~~Skydarmos~~\|05:38 次𠀧𣈜8𣎃7𢆥2014}}		# Me and Trung mostly use 唄 for this. 貝 is the common phonetic loan, and the mouth indicates that it does not mean "貝". {{Unsigned\|Sky Darmos\|05:38 次𠀧𣈜8𣎃7𢆥2014}}

	=Với²=		=Với²=

SaigonSarang：/* {{discussion}} */

2014-07-08T07:46:30Z

←番版𫇰		番版𣅶14:46、𣈜8𣎃7𢆥2014
𣳔28：		𣳔28：

	* '''唄'''		* '''唄'''
	Me and Trung mostly use 唄 for this. 貝 is the common phonetic loan, and the mouth indicates that it does not mean "貝".		# Me and Trung mostly use 唄 for this. 貝 is the common phonetic loan, and the mouth indicates that it does not mean "貝". {{Unsigned\|Skydarmos\|05:38 次𠀧𣈜8𣎃7𢆥2014}}

	=Với²=		=Với²=

65.49.68.193：/* {{discussion}} */

2014-07-08T05:38:38Z

←番版𫇰		番版𣅶12:38、𣈜8𣎃7𢆥2014
𣳔26：		𣳔26：

	* '''众'''		* '''众'''

			* '''唄'''
			Me and Trung mostly use 唄 for this. 貝 is the common phonetic loan, and the mouth indicates that it does not mean "貝".

	=Với²=		=Với²=

Congdantoancau：/* {{discussion}} */

2014-04-16T18:48:15Z

←番版𫇰		番版𣅶01:48、𣈜17𣎃4𢆥2014
𣳔12：		𣳔12：
	# I use 𢭲 for both because context is easy enough to distinguish between the two. - 12/23, 6:15pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/thevanarch Chung Van Dao]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:21 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# I use 𢭲 for both because context is easy enough to distinguish between the two. - 12/23, 6:15pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/thevanarch Chung Van Dao]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:21 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:23 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)		# --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:23 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)
			# 貝 for bối, 𠇍 for mấy, then 𢭲 for với -- [[成員:Congdantoancau\|Congdantoancau]] ([[討論‐成員:Congdantoancau\|討論]]) 01:48、次𠄼、𣈜17𣎃4𢆥2014 (ICT)

	* '''某'''		* '''某'''

SaigonSarang：/* {{discussion}} */

2014-01-21T06:41:27Z

←番版𫇰		番版𣅶13:41、𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014
𣳔31：		𣳔31：

	=={{discussion}}==		=={{discussion}}==
	{{HideH\|{{vf\|'''𢭲 - 7/7 (100%)'''. [[特別:~~Đóng góp/8.35.201.49~~\|~~8.35.201.49~~]] 13:40 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}}}		{{HideH\|{{vf\|'''𢭲 - 7/7 (100%)'''. [[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:41 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}}}
	* '''貝'''		* '''貝'''

8.35.201.49：/* {{discussion}} */

2014-01-21T06:40:27Z

←番版𫇰		番版𣅶13:40、𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014
𣳔31：		𣳔31：

	=={{discussion}}==		=={{discussion}}==
			{{HideH\|{{vf\|'''𢭲 - 7/7 (100%)'''. [[特別:Đóng góp/8.35.201.49\|8.35.201.49]] 13:40 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}}}
	* '''貝'''		* '''貝'''

𣳔48：		𣳔49：

	* '''喟'''		* '''喟'''
			{{HideF}}

SaigonSarang：/* Với² */

2014-01-21T02:28:18Z

Với²

←番版𫇰		番版𣅶09:28、𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014
𣳔28：		𣳔28：

	=Với²=		=Với²=
	{{~~cxd~~-t}}		{{dxd-t}}

	=={{discussion}}==		=={{discussion}}==

	* '''貝'''		* '''貝'''
	~~# Với, 貝 - {{fbu-kk}} {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:27 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}~~

SaigonSarang𠓨𣅶02:27、𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014

2014-01-21T02:27:15Z

←番版𫇰		番版𣅶09:27、𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014
𣳔3：		𣳔3：

	=={{discussion}}==		=={{discussion}}==

	* '''貝'''		* '''貝'''
	# 1. Với (with, and): 貝; 2. Với (to reach): 𢭲. 𠇍 is Mấy, not Với. In Vietnamese, one of the means of Mấy is mean Với. But 𠇍 can not to read Với. (It is only on the means). [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/684669481565015/] - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 11:56 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# 1. Với (with, and): 貝; 2. Với (to reach): 𢭲. 𠇍 is Mấy, not Với. In Vietnamese, one of the means of Mấy is mean Với. But 𠇍 can not to read Với. (It is only on the means). [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/684669481565015/] - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 11:56 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/684669481565015/] - '''[https://www.facebook.com/trung4 Trung Nguyen]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:08 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/684669481565015/] - '''[https://www.facebook.com/trung4 Trung Nguyen]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:08 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
			# Với, 貝 - {{fbu-kk}} {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:27 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}


	* '''𢭲'''		* '''𢭲'''
	# I use 𢭲 for both because context is easy enough to distinguish between the two. - 12/23, 6:15pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/thevanarch Chung Van Dao]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:21 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# I use 𢭲 for both because context is easy enough to distinguish between the two. - 12/23, 6:15pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/thevanarch Chung Van Dao]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:21 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:23 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)		# --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:23 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)


	* '''某'''		* '''某'''
𣳔31：		𣳔33：

	* '''貝'''		* '''貝'''
			# Với, 貝 - {{fbu-kk}} {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:27 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}


𣳔44：		𣳔47：
	# I use 𢭲 for both because context is easy enough to distinguish between the two. - 12/23, 6:15pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/thevanarch Chung Van Dao]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:21 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# I use 𢭲 for both because context is easy enough to distinguish between the two. - 12/23, 6:15pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/thevanarch Chung Van Dao]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:21 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:23 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)		# --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:23 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)


	* '''喟'''		* '''喟'''

SaigonSarang𠓨𣅶02:23、𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013

2013-12-26T02:23:10Z

←番版𫇰		番版𣅶09:23、𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013
𣳔10：		𣳔10：
	* '''𢭲'''		* '''𢭲'''
	# I use 𢭲 for both because context is easy enough to distinguish between the two. - 12/23, 6:15pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/thevanarch Chung Van Dao]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:21 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# I use 𢭲 for both because context is easy enough to distinguish between the two. - 12/23, 6:15pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/thevanarch Chung Van Dao]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:21 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
			# --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:23 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)

	* '''某'''		* '''某'''
𣳔42：		𣳔43：
	# loan characters dont count! 𢭲 is for the verb meaning, and the one looking like the bottom part of 忝 is the 介詞. - '''[https://www.facebook.com/sky.darmos Sky Darmos]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:18 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# loan characters dont count! 𢭲 is for the verb meaning, and the one looking like the bottom part of 忝 is the 介詞. - '''[https://www.facebook.com/sky.darmos Sky Darmos]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:18 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# I use 𢭲 for both because context is easy enough to distinguish between the two. - 12/23, 6:15pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/thevanarch Chung Van Dao]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:21 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# I use 𢭲 for both because context is easy enough to distinguish between the two. - 12/23, 6:15pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/thevanarch Chung Van Dao]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:21 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
			# --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:23 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)

	* '''喟'''		* '''喟'''

←番版𫇰		番版𣅶15:59、𣈜25𣎃3𢆥2025
𣳔4：		𣳔4：
	=={{discussion}}==		=={{discussion}}==
	* '''貝'''		* '''貝'''
	# 1. Với (with, and): 貝; 2. Với (to reach): 𢭲. 𠇍 is Mấy, not Với. In Vietnamese, one of the means of Mấy is mean Với. But 𠇍 can not to read Với. (It is only on the means). [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/684669481565015/] - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 11:56 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# 1. Với (with, and): 貝; 2. Với (to reach): 𢭲. 𠇍 is Mấy, not Với. In Vietnamese, one of the means of Mấy is mean Với. But 𠇍 can not to read Với. (It is only on the means). [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/684669481565015/] - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 11:56 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/684669481565015/] - '''[https://www.facebook.com/trung4 Trung Nguyen]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:08 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/684669481565015/] - '''[https://www.facebook.com/trung4 Trung Nguyen]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:08 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# Với, 貝 - {{fbu-kk}} {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:27 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}		# Với, 貝 - {{fbu-kk}} {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:27 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}


	* '''𢭲'''		* '''𢭲'''
	# I use 𢭲 for both because context is easy enough to distinguish between the two. - 12/23, 6:15pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/thevanarch Chung Van Dao]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:21 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# I use 𢭲 for both because context is easy enough to distinguish between the two. - 12/23, 6:15pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/thevanarch Chung Van Dao]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:21 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:23 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)		# --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:23 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)
	# 貝 for bối, 𠇍 for mấy, then 𢭲 for với -- [[成員:Congdantoancau\|Congdantoancau]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:Congdantoancau\|討論]]) 01:48、次𠄼、𣈜17𣎃4𢆥2014 (ICT)		# 貝 for bối, 𠇍 for mấy, then 𢭲 for với -- [[成員:Congdantoancau\|Congdantoancau]] ([[討論成員:Congdantoancau\|討論]]) 01:48、次𠄼、𣈜17𣎃4𢆥2014 (ICT)

	* '''某'''		* '''某'''
𣳔18：		𣳔18：

	* '''𠇍'''		* '''𠇍'''
	# 𢭲:reach, 𠇍:with. [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/684669481565015/] - '''[https://www.facebook.com/ThmenhChey Nguyễn Việt Khôi]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:08 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# 𢭲:reach, 𠇍:with. [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/684669481565015/] - '''[https://www.facebook.com/ThmenhChey Nguyễn Việt Khôi]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:08 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# [[成員:Keepout2010\|<ruby><rb>杜澎栩</rb><rp>(</rp><rt>Đỗ Bành Hủ</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>]]（[[~~討論‐成員~~:Keepout2010\|討論]]） 12:32 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)		# [[成員:Keepout2010\|<ruby><rb>杜澎栩</rb><rp>(</rp><rt>Đỗ Bành Hủ</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>]]（[[討論成員:Keepout2010\|討論]]） 12:32 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)
	# loan characters dont count! 𢭲 is for the verb meaning, and the one looking like the bottom part of 忝 is the 介詞. - '''[https://www.facebook.com/sky.darmos Sky Darmos]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:18 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# loan characters dont count! 𢭲 is for the verb meaning, and the one looking like the bottom part of 忝 is the 介詞. - '''[https://www.facebook.com/sky.darmos Sky Darmos]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:18 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}

	* '''買'''		* '''買'''
𣳔35：		𣳔35：

	=={{discussion}}==		=={{discussion}}==
	{{HideH\|{{vf\|'''𢭲 - 7/7 (100%)'''. [[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:41 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}}}		{{HideH\|{{vf\|'''𢭲 - 7/7 (100%)'''. [[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:41 𣈜21𣎃1𢆥2014 (ICT)}}}}
	* '''貝'''		* '''貝'''

𣳔43：		𣳔43：

	* '''𢭲'''		* '''𢭲'''
	# 1. Với (with, and): 貝; 2. Với (to reach): 𢭲. 𠇍 is Mấy, not Với. In Vietnamese, one of the means of Mấy is mean Với. But 𠇍 can not to read Với. (It is only on the means). [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/684669914898305/] - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 11:56 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# 1. Với (with, and): 貝; 2. Với (to reach): 𢭲. 𠇍 is Mấy, not Với. In Vietnamese, one of the means of Mấy is mean Với. But 𠇍 can not to read Với. (It is only on the means). [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/684669914898305/] - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 11:56 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# 𢭲:reach, 𠇍:with. [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/684669914898305/] - '''[https://www.facebook.com/ThmenhChey Nguyễn Việt Khôi]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:08 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# 𢭲:reach, 𠇍:with. [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/684669914898305/] - '''[https://www.facebook.com/ThmenhChey Nguyễn Việt Khôi]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:08 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# 𢭲 might be read vói. At least, I know it as vói (maybe it's southern accent?) That could explain why Taberd, Génibrel, and Bonet don't list it under với but under vói. Can sombody check with other older dictionaries? [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/684669914898305/] - '''[https://www.facebook.com/trung4 Trung Nguyen]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:08 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# 𢭲 might be read vói. At least, I know it as vói (maybe it's southern accent?) That could explain why Taberd, Génibrel, and Bonet don't list it under với but under vói. Can sombody check with other older dictionaries? [https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/684669914898305/] - '''[https://www.facebook.com/trung4 Trung Nguyen]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:08 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# [[成員:Keepout2010\|<ruby><rb>杜澎栩</rb><rp>(</rp><rt>Đỗ Bành Hủ</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>]]（[[~~討論‐成員~~:Keepout2010\|討論]]） 12:32 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)		# [[成員:Keepout2010\|<ruby><rb>杜澎栩</rb><rp>(</rp><rt>Đỗ Bành Hủ</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>]]（[[討論成員:Keepout2010\|討論]]） 12:32 𣈜25𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)
	# loan characters dont count! 𢭲 is for the verb meaning, and the one looking like the bottom part of 忝 is the 介詞. - '''[https://www.facebook.com/sky.darmos Sky Darmos]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:18 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# loan characters dont count! 𢭲 is for the verb meaning, and the one looking like the bottom part of 忝 is the 介詞. - '''[https://www.facebook.com/sky.darmos Sky Darmos]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:18 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# I use 𢭲 for both because context is easy enough to distinguish between the two. - 12/23, 6:15pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/thevanarch Chung Van Dao]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:21 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# I use 𢭲 for both because context is easy enough to distinguish between the two. - 12/23, 6:15pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/thevanarch Chung Van Dao]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:21 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:23 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)		# --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 09:23 𣈜26𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)


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