討論準化:Lại - 歷史𠊝𢷮

SaigonSarang：𠊝替文本－「討論‐成員:」成「討論成員:」

2025-03-25T08:59:51Z

𠊝替文本－「討論‐成員:」成「討論成員:」

SaigonSarang：Text replacement - "徠" to "吏"

2025-03-13T07:53:29Z

Text replacement - "徠" to "吏"

←番版𫇰		番版𣅶14:53、𣈜13𣎃3𢆥2025
𣳔18：		𣳔18：
	# My Nom dictionary categorised as follow though, 又 for again/still, 來 to come/arrive, 吏 official. - November 12 at 3:19pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/groups/227657444504/permalink/10152202420234505/?comment_id=10152202605829505&offset=0&total_comments=21 朱愛國]''' <small>（[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 11:59 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）</small>		# My Nom dictionary categorised as follow though, 又 for again/still, 來 to come/arrive, 吏 official. - November 12 at 3:19pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/groups/227657444504/permalink/10152202420234505/?comment_id=10152202605829505&offset=0&total_comments=21 朱愛國]''' <small>（[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 11:59 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）</small>

	*'''徠'''		*'''吏'''
	# i stil prefer 徠 for both although 吏 was more common in the 18 century. - 2013/12/30 '''[https://www.facebook.com/ThmenhChey Nguyễn Việt Khôi]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:04 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# i stil prefer 吏 for both although 吏 was more common in the 18 century. - 2013/12/30 '''[https://www.facebook.com/ThmenhChey Nguyễn Việt Khôi]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:04 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}

	{{HideF}}		{{HideF}}
𣳔44：		𣳔44：
	# - '''[https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/664774433554520/ Shuping Sheldon Dang]'''<small>（[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:11 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）</small>		# - '''[https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/664774433554520/ Shuping Sheldon Dang]'''<small>（[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:11 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）</small>

	* '''徠'''		* '''吏'''
	# I usually use 徠 (historic 來). I think both LẠI came from Chinese 來. - November 12 at 11:16pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/groups/227657444504/permalink/10152202420234505/?comment_id=10152203129099505&offset=0&total_comments=21 Nguyễn Việt Khôi]'''<small>（[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:11 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）</small>		# I usually use 吏 (historic 來). I think both LẠI came from Chinese 來. - November 12 at 11:16pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/groups/227657444504/permalink/10152202420234505/?comment_id=10152203129099505&offset=0&total_comments=21 Nguyễn Việt Khôi]'''<small>（[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:11 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）</small>
	# - '''[https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/664774433554520/ TienZomby Tran]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:35 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# - '''[https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/664774433554520/ TienZomby Tran]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:35 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}

	{{HideF}}		{{HideF}}

SaigonSarang：/* {{discussion}} */

2013-12-20T10:20:43Z

←番版𫇰		番版𣅶17:20、𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013
𣳔27：		𣳔27：

	=={{discussion}}==		=={{discussion}}==
	{{HideH\|{{vf\|'''吏 - 61.5%'''. [[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 17:11 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}}}		{{HideH\|{{vf\|'''吏 - 8/13 (61.5%)'''. [[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 17:11 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}}}

	* '''吏'''		* '''吏'''

SaigonSarang：/* {{discussion}} */

2013-12-20T10:20:11Z

←番版𫇰		番版𣅶17:20、𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013
𣳔3：		𣳔3：

	=={{discussion}}==		=={{discussion}}==
	{{HideH\|{{vf\|'''吏 - 70%'''. [[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 17:09 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}}}		{{HideH\|{{vf\|'''吏 - 7/10 (70%)'''. [[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 17:09 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}}}

	* '''吏'''		* '''吏'''

SaigonSarang：/* Lại² */

2013-12-20T10:11:27Z

Lại²

←番版𫇰		番版𣅶17:11、𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013
𣳔24：		𣳔24：

	=Lại²=		=Lại²=
	{{~~cxd~~-t}}		{{dxd-t}}

	=={{discussion}}==		=={{discussion}}==
			{{HideH\|{{vf\|'''吏 - 61.5%'''. [[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 17:11 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}}}

	* '''吏'''		* '''吏'''
	# --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜19𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)		# --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜19𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)
𣳔45：		𣳔47：
	# I usually use 徠 (historic 來). I think both LẠI came from Chinese 來. - November 12 at 11:16pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/groups/227657444504/permalink/10152202420234505/?comment_id=10152203129099505&offset=0&total_comments=21 Nguyễn Việt Khôi]'''<small>（[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:11 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）</small>		# I usually use 徠 (historic 來). I think both LẠI came from Chinese 來. - November 12 at 11:16pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/groups/227657444504/permalink/10152202420234505/?comment_id=10152203129099505&offset=0&total_comments=21 Nguyễn Việt Khôi]'''<small>（[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:11 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）</small>
	# - '''[https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/664774433554520/ TienZomby Tran]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:35 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# - '''[https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/664774433554520/ TienZomby Tran]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:35 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}

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SaigonSarang：/* {{discussion}} */

2013-12-20T10:09:03Z

←番版𫇰		番版𣅶17:09、𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013
𣳔3：		𣳔3：

	=={{discussion}}==		=={{discussion}}==
	{{~~hideH~~\|{{vf\|~~吏 -~~ '''70%'''. [[特別:~~Đóng góp/211.157.161.34~~\|~~211.157.161.34~~]] 17:07 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}}}		{{HideH\|{{vf\|'''吏 - 70%'''. [[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 17:09 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}}}

	* '''吏'''		* '''吏'''
	# --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜19𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)		# --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜19𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)
𣳔19：		𣳔20：
	*'''徠'''		*'''徠'''
	# i stil prefer 徠 for both although 吏 was more common in the 18 century. - 2013/12/30 '''[https://www.facebook.com/ThmenhChey Nguyễn Việt Khôi]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:04 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# i stil prefer 徠 for both although 吏 was more common in the 18 century. - 2013/12/30 '''[https://www.facebook.com/ThmenhChey Nguyễn Việt Khôi]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:04 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}

	{{HideF}}		{{HideF}}

211.157.161.34：/* Lại¹ */

2013-12-20T10:07:39Z

Lại¹

←番版𫇰		番版𣅶17:07、𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013
𣳔1：		𣳔1：
	=Lại¹=		=Lại¹=
	{{~~cxd~~-t}}		{{dxd-t}}

	=={{discussion}}==		=={{discussion}}==
			{{hideH\|{{vf\|吏 - '''70%'''. [[特別:Đóng góp/211.157.161.34\|211.157.161.34]] 17:07 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}}}
	* '''吏'''		* '''吏'''
	# --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜19𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)		# --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜19𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)
𣳔18：		𣳔19：
	*'''徠'''		*'''徠'''
	# i stil prefer 徠 for both although 吏 was more common in the 18 century. - 2013/12/30 '''[https://www.facebook.com/ThmenhChey Nguyễn Việt Khôi]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:04 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# i stil prefer 徠 for both although 吏 was more common in the 18 century. - 2013/12/30 '''[https://www.facebook.com/ThmenhChey Nguyễn Việt Khôi]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:04 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
			{{HideF}}

	=Lại²=		=Lại²=

SaigonSarang𠓨𣅶09:56、𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013

2013-12-20T09:56:23Z

←番版𫇰		番版𣅶16:56、𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013
𣳔8：		𣳔8：
	# They are: 吏（Both of them) - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# They are: 吏（Both of them) - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# 吏 - 2013/12/20 15:27:37 - '''[https://www.facebook.com/sky.darmos Sky Darmos]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:08 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# 吏 - 2013/12/20 15:27:37 - '''[https://www.facebook.com/sky.darmos Sky Darmos]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:08 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
			# I would still use 吏 for both, as that was the most commonly used in the 19th century, when Nôm was becoming more regular. - 2013/12/20 '''[https://www.facebook.com/kadri.kirikumees Kadri Kirikumees]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
			# I tend to regard "again" as the result of a de-lexicalization or generalization of "to come". Similar to 旦 ĐẾN "to arrive" generalized to "until, up to". Or 𧵑 CỦA "belongings" generalized to "from, of". This phenomenon is frequent in Vietnamese. So for me 吏 is both, noun and adverb. - 2013/12/20 '''[https://www.facebook.com/trung4 Trung Nguyen]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
			# 吏 and 吏. Ok, because I love the simplier thing. - 2013/12/20 '''[https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1535424222 阮大瞿越]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}

	* '''又'''		* '''又'''
𣳔26：		𣳔29：
	# They are: 吏（Both of them) - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# They are: 吏（Both of them) - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# 吏 - 2013/12/20 15:27:37 - '''[https://www.facebook.com/sky.darmos Sky Darmos]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:09 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# 吏 - 2013/12/20 15:27:37 - '''[https://www.facebook.com/sky.darmos Sky Darmos]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:09 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
			# I would still use 吏 for both, as that was the most commonly used in the 19th century, when Nôm was becoming more regular. - 2013/12/20 '''[https://www.facebook.com/kadri.kirikumees Kadri Kirikumees]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
			# I tend to regard "again" as the result of a de-lexicalization or generalization of "to come". Similar to 旦 ĐẾN "to arrive" generalized to "until, up to". Or 𧵑 CỦA "belongings" generalized to "from, of". This phenomenon is frequent in Vietnamese. So for me 吏 is both, noun and adverb. - 2013/12/20 '''[https://www.facebook.com/trung4 Trung Nguyen]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
			# 吏 and 吏. Ok, because I love the simplier thing. - 2013/12/20 '''[https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1535424222 阮大瞿越]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}

	* '''來'''		* '''來'''

SaigonSarang𠓨𣅶09:09、𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013

2013-12-20T09:09:37Z

←番版𫇰		番版𣅶16:09、𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013
𣳔7：		𣳔7：
	# --[[成員:Keepout2010\|<ruby><rb>杜澎栩</rb><rp>(</rp><rt>Đỗ Bành Hủ</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>]]（[[討論‐成員:Keepout2010\|討論]]） 13:48 𣈜19𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)		# --[[成員:Keepout2010\|<ruby><rb>杜澎栩</rb><rp>(</rp><rt>Đỗ Bành Hủ</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>]]（[[討論‐成員:Keepout2010\|討論]]） 13:48 𣈜19𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)
	# They are: 吏（Both of them) - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# They are: 吏（Both of them) - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# 吏 2013/12/20 15:27:37 - '''[https://www.facebook.com/sky.darmos Sky Darmos]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:08 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# 吏 - 2013/12/20 15:27:37 - '''[https://www.facebook.com/sky.darmos Sky Darmos]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:08 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}


	* '''又'''		* '''又'''
𣳔26：		𣳔25：
	# I use 又 and 吏, respectively. - November 12 at 1:37pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/664245186940778/?comment_id=664258713606092&offset=0&total_comments=5 Steve Thanh Pham]'''<small>（[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 11:54 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）</small>		# I use 又 and 吏, respectively. - November 12 at 1:37pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/664245186940778/?comment_id=664258713606092&offset=0&total_comments=5 Steve Thanh Pham]'''<small>（[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 11:54 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）</small>
	# They are: 吏（Both of them) - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# They are: 吏（Both of them) - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
			# 吏 - 2013/12/20 15:27:37 - '''[https://www.facebook.com/sky.darmos Sky Darmos]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:09 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}

	* '''來'''		* '''來'''

SaigonSarang：/* {{discussion}} */

2013-12-20T09:08:54Z

←番版𫇰		番版𣅶16:08、𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013
𣳔7：		𣳔7：
	# --[[成員:Keepout2010\|<ruby><rb>杜澎栩</rb><rp>(</rp><rt>Đỗ Bành Hủ</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>]]（[[討論‐成員:Keepout2010\|討論]]） 13:48 𣈜19𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)		# --[[成員:Keepout2010\|<ruby><rb>杜澎栩</rb><rp>(</rp><rt>Đỗ Bành Hủ</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>]]（[[討論‐成員:Keepout2010\|討論]]） 13:48 𣈜19𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)
	# They are: 吏（Both of them) - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# They are: 吏（Both of them) - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
			# 吏 2013/12/20 15:27:37 - '''[https://www.facebook.com/sky.darmos Sky Darmos]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:08 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}


	* '''又'''		* '''又'''

←番版𫇰		番版𣅶16:56、𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013
𣳔8：		𣳔8：
	# They are: 吏（Both of them) - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# They are: 吏（Both of them) - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# 吏 - 2013/12/20 15:27:37 - '''[https://www.facebook.com/sky.darmos Sky Darmos]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:08 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# 吏 - 2013/12/20 15:27:37 - '''[https://www.facebook.com/sky.darmos Sky Darmos]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:08 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
			# I would still use 吏 for both, as that was the most commonly used in the 19th century, when Nôm was becoming more regular. - 2013/12/20 '''[https://www.facebook.com/kadri.kirikumees Kadri Kirikumees]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
			# I tend to regard "again" as the result of a de-lexicalization or generalization of "to come". Similar to 旦 ĐẾN "to arrive" generalized to "until, up to". Or 𧵑 CỦA "belongings" generalized to "from, of". This phenomenon is frequent in Vietnamese. So for me 吏 is both, noun and adverb. - 2013/12/20 '''[https://www.facebook.com/trung4 Trung Nguyen]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
			# 吏 and 吏. Ok, because I love the simplier thing. - 2013/12/20 '''[https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1535424222 阮大瞿越]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}

	* '''又'''		* '''又'''
𣳔26：		𣳔29：
	# They are: 吏（Both of them) - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# They are: 吏（Both of them) - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# 吏 - 2013/12/20 15:27:37 - '''[https://www.facebook.com/sky.darmos Sky Darmos]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:09 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# 吏 - 2013/12/20 15:27:37 - '''[https://www.facebook.com/sky.darmos Sky Darmos]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:09 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
			# I would still use 吏 for both, as that was the most commonly used in the 19th century, when Nôm was becoming more regular. - 2013/12/20 '''[https://www.facebook.com/kadri.kirikumees Kadri Kirikumees]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
			# I tend to regard "again" as the result of a de-lexicalization or generalization of "to come". Similar to 旦 ĐẾN "to arrive" generalized to "until, up to". Or 𧵑 CỦA "belongings" generalized to "from, of". This phenomenon is frequent in Vietnamese. So for me 吏 is both, noun and adverb. - 2013/12/20 '''[https://www.facebook.com/trung4 Trung Nguyen]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
			# 吏 and 吏. Ok, because I love the simplier thing. - 2013/12/20 '''[https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1535424222 阮大瞿越]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}

	* '''來'''		* '''來'''

←番版𫇰		番版𣅶16:09、𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013
𣳔7：		𣳔7：
	# --[[成員:Keepout2010\|<ruby><rb>杜澎栩</rb><rp>(</rp><rt>Đỗ Bành Hủ</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>]]（[[討論‐成員:Keepout2010\|討論]]） 13:48 𣈜19𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)		# --[[成員:Keepout2010\|<ruby><rb>杜澎栩</rb><rp>(</rp><rt>Đỗ Bành Hủ</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>]]（[[討論‐成員:Keepout2010\|討論]]） 13:48 𣈜19𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)
	# They are: 吏（Both of them) - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# They are: 吏（Both of them) - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# 吏 2013/12/20 15:27:37 - '''[https://www.facebook.com/sky.darmos Sky Darmos]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:08 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# 吏 - 2013/12/20 15:27:37 - '''[https://www.facebook.com/sky.darmos Sky Darmos]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:08 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}


	* '''又'''		* '''又'''
𣳔26：		𣳔25：
	# I use 又 and 吏, respectively. - November 12 at 1:37pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/664245186940778/?comment_id=664258713606092&offset=0&total_comments=5 Steve Thanh Pham]'''<small>（[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 11:54 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）</small>		# I use 又 and 吏, respectively. - November 12 at 1:37pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/664245186940778/?comment_id=664258713606092&offset=0&total_comments=5 Steve Thanh Pham]'''<small>（[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 11:54 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）</small>
	# They are: 吏（Both of them) - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# They are: 吏（Both of them) - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
			# 吏 - 2013/12/20 15:27:37 - '''[https://www.facebook.com/sky.darmos Sky Darmos]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論‐成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:09 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}

	* '''來'''		* '''來'''

←番版𫇰		番版𣅶15:59、𣈜25𣎃3𢆥2025
𣳔3：		𣳔3：

	=={{discussion}}==		=={{discussion}}==
	{{HideH\|{{vf\|'''吏 - 7/10 (70%)'''. [[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 17:09 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}}}		{{HideH\|{{vf\|'''吏 - 7/10 (70%)'''. [[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 17:09 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}}}

	* '''吏'''		* '''吏'''
	# --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜19𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)		# --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜19𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)
	# --[[成員:Keepout2010\|<ruby><rb>杜澎栩</rb><rp>(</rp><rt>Đỗ Bành Hủ</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>]]（[[~~討論‐成員~~:Keepout2010\|討論]]） 13:48 𣈜19𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)		# --[[成員:Keepout2010\|<ruby><rb>杜澎栩</rb><rp>(</rp><rt>Đỗ Bành Hủ</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>]]（[[討論成員:Keepout2010\|討論]]） 13:48 𣈜19𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)
	# They are: 吏（Both of them) - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# They are: 吏（Both of them) - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# 吏 - 2013/12/20 15:27:37 - '''[https://www.facebook.com/sky.darmos Sky Darmos]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:08 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# 吏 - 2013/12/20 15:27:37 - '''[https://www.facebook.com/sky.darmos Sky Darmos]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:08 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# I would still use 吏 for both, as that was the most commonly used in the 19th century, when Nôm was becoming more regular. - 2013/12/20 '''[https://www.facebook.com/kadri.kirikumees Kadri Kirikumees]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# I would still use 吏 for both, as that was the most commonly used in the 19th century, when Nôm was becoming more regular. - 2013/12/20 '''[https://www.facebook.com/kadri.kirikumees Kadri Kirikumees]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# I tend to regard "again" as the result of a de-lexicalization or generalization of "to come". Similar to 旦 ĐẾN "to arrive" generalized to "until, up to". Or 𧵑 CỦA "belongings" generalized to "from, of". This phenomenon is frequent in Vietnamese. So for me 吏 is both, noun and adverb. - 2013/12/20 '''[https://www.facebook.com/trung4 Trung Nguyen]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# I tend to regard "again" as the result of a de-lexicalization or generalization of "to come". Similar to 旦 ĐẾN "to arrive" generalized to "until, up to". Or 𧵑 CỦA "belongings" generalized to "from, of". This phenomenon is frequent in Vietnamese. So for me 吏 is both, noun and adverb. - 2013/12/20 '''[https://www.facebook.com/trung4 Trung Nguyen]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# 吏 and 吏. Ok, because I love the simplier thing. - 2013/12/20 '''[https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1535424222 阮大瞿越]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# 吏 and 吏. Ok, because I love the simplier thing. - 2013/12/20 '''[https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1535424222 阮大瞿越]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}

	* '''又'''		* '''又'''
	# I use 又 and 吏, respectively. - November 12 at 1:37pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/664245186940778/?comment_id=664258713606092&offset=0&total_comments=5 Steve Thanh Pham]'''<small>（[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 11:54 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）</small>		# I use 又 and 吏, respectively. - November 12 at 1:37pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/664245186940778/?comment_id=664258713606092&offset=0&total_comments=5 Steve Thanh Pham]'''<small>（[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 11:54 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）</small>
	# My Nom dictionary categorised as follow though, 又 for again/still, 來 to come/arrive, 吏 official. - November 12 at 3:19pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/groups/227657444504/permalink/10152202420234505/?comment_id=10152202605829505&offset=0&total_comments=21 朱愛國]''' <small>（[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 11:59 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）</small>		# My Nom dictionary categorised as follow though, 又 for again/still, 來 to come/arrive, 吏 official. - November 12 at 3:19pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/groups/227657444504/permalink/10152202420234505/?comment_id=10152202605829505&offset=0&total_comments=21 朱愛國]''' <small>（[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 11:59 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）</small>

	*'''吏'''		*'''吏'''
	# i stil prefer 吏 for both although 吏 was more common in the 18 century. - 2013/12/30 '''[https://www.facebook.com/ThmenhChey Nguyễn Việt Khôi]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:04 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# i stil prefer 吏 for both although 吏 was more common in the 18 century. - 2013/12/30 '''[https://www.facebook.com/ThmenhChey Nguyễn Việt Khôi]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:04 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}

	{{HideF}}		{{HideF}}
𣳔27：		𣳔27：

	=={{discussion}}==		=={{discussion}}==
	{{HideH\|{{vf\|'''吏 - 8/13 (61.5%)'''. [[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 17:11 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}}}		{{HideH\|{{vf\|'''吏 - 8/13 (61.5%)'''. [[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 17:11 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}}}

	* '''吏'''		* '''吏'''
	# --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜19𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)		# --[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜19𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)
	# --[[成員:Keepout2010\|<ruby><rb>杜澎栩</rb><rp>(</rp><rt>Đỗ Bành Hủ</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>]]（[[~~討論‐成員~~:Keepout2010\|討論]]） 13:48 𣈜19𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)		# --[[成員:Keepout2010\|<ruby><rb>杜澎栩</rb><rp>(</rp><rt>Đỗ Bành Hủ</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>]]（[[討論成員:Keepout2010\|討論]]） 13:48 𣈜19𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)
	# I use 又 and 吏, respectively. - November 12 at 1:37pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/664245186940778/?comment_id=664258713606092&offset=0&total_comments=5 Steve Thanh Pham]'''<small>（[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 11:54 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）</small>		# I use 又 and 吏, respectively. - November 12 at 1:37pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/664245186940778/?comment_id=664258713606092&offset=0&total_comments=5 Steve Thanh Pham]'''<small>（[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 11:54 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）</small>
	# They are: 吏（Both of them) - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# They are: 吏（Both of them) - '''[https://www.facebook.com/chau.h.duong Châu Hải Đường]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 13:19 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# 吏 - 2013/12/20 15:27:37 - '''[https://www.facebook.com/sky.darmos Sky Darmos]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:09 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# 吏 - 2013/12/20 15:27:37 - '''[https://www.facebook.com/sky.darmos Sky Darmos]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:09 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# I would still use 吏 for both, as that was the most commonly used in the 19th century, when Nôm was becoming more regular. - 2013/12/20 '''[https://www.facebook.com/kadri.kirikumees Kadri Kirikumees]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# I would still use 吏 for both, as that was the most commonly used in the 19th century, when Nôm was becoming more regular. - 2013/12/20 '''[https://www.facebook.com/kadri.kirikumees Kadri Kirikumees]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# I tend to regard "again" as the result of a de-lexicalization or generalization of "to come". Similar to 旦 ĐẾN "to arrive" generalized to "until, up to". Or 𧵑 CỦA "belongings" generalized to "from, of". This phenomenon is frequent in Vietnamese. So for me 吏 is both, noun and adverb. - 2013/12/20 '''[https://www.facebook.com/trung4 Trung Nguyen]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# I tend to regard "again" as the result of a de-lexicalization or generalization of "to come". Similar to 旦 ĐẾN "to arrive" generalized to "until, up to". Or 𧵑 CỦA "belongings" generalized to "from, of". This phenomenon is frequent in Vietnamese. So for me 吏 is both, noun and adverb. - 2013/12/20 '''[https://www.facebook.com/trung4 Trung Nguyen]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}
	# 吏 and 吏. Ok, because I love the simplier thing. - 2013/12/20 '''[https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1535424222 阮大瞿越]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# 吏 and 吏. Ok, because I love the simplier thing. - 2013/12/20 '''[https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1535424222 阮大瞿越]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}

	* '''來'''		* '''來'''
	# My Nom dictionary categorised as follow though, 又 for again/still, 來 to come/arrive, 吏 official. - November 12 at 3:19pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/groups/227657444504/permalink/10152202420234505/?comment_id=10152202605829505&offset=0&total_comments=21 朱愛國]'''<small>（[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 11:59 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）</small>		# My Nom dictionary categorised as follow though, 又 for again/still, 來 to come/arrive, 吏 official. - November 12 at 3:19pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/groups/227657444504/permalink/10152202420234505/?comment_id=10152202605829505&offset=0&total_comments=21 朱愛國]'''<small>（[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 11:59 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）</small>
	# - '''[https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/664774433554520/ Tin Tin]'''<small>（[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:11 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）</small>		# - '''[https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/664774433554520/ Tin Tin]'''<small>（[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:11 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）</small>
	# - '''[https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/664774433554520/ Shuping Sheldon Dang]'''<small>（[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:11 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）</small>		# - '''[https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/664774433554520/ Shuping Sheldon Dang]'''<small>（[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:11 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）</small>

	* '''吏'''		* '''吏'''
	# I usually use 吏 (historic 來). I think both LẠI came from Chinese 來. - November 12 at 11:16pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/groups/227657444504/permalink/10152202420234505/?comment_id=10152203129099505&offset=0&total_comments=21 Nguyễn Việt Khôi]'''<small>（[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:11 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）</small>		# I usually use 吏 (historic 來). I think both LẠI came from Chinese 來. - November 12 at 11:16pm '''[https://www.facebook.com/groups/227657444504/permalink/10152202420234505/?comment_id=10152203129099505&offset=0&total_comments=21 Nguyễn Việt Khôi]'''<small>（[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:11 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）</small>
	# - '''[https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/664774433554520/ TienZomby Tran]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[~~討論‐成員~~:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:35 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}		# - '''[https://www.facebook.com/groups/hannom.revival/permalink/664774433554520/ TienZomby Tran]''' {{pp\|[[成員:SaigonSarang\|SaigonSarang]] ([[討論成員:SaigonSarang\|討論]]) 12:35 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)}}

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