討論準化:Lại

Lại¹

㐌 (đã) 確定 (xác định) The standard Nom has been determined according to the 格撰𡨸喃 and Voting rule. Please leave a message here if you disagree with the result.

討論 (thảo luận) 吧 (và) 𠬃票 (bỏ phiếu)

現

The voting was finished and the Standard Nom has been determined (Please do not change the contents). - 吏 - 7/10 (70%). SaigonSarang (討論) 17:09 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)

• 吏

1. --SaigonSarang (討論) 13:19 𣈜19𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)
2. --杜澎栩(Đỗ Bành Hủ)（討論） 13:48 𣈜19𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)
3. They are: 吏 （Both of them) - Châu Hải Đường ［SaigonSarang (討論) 13:19 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)］
4. 吏 - 2013/12/20 15:27:37 - Sky Darmos ［SaigonSarang (討論) 16:08 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)］
5. I would still use 吏 for both, as that was the most commonly used in the 19th century, when Nôm was becoming more regular. - 2013/12/20 Kadri Kirikumees ［SaigonSarang (討論) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)］
6. I tend to regard "again" as the result of a de-lexicalization or generalization of "to come". Similar to 旦 ĐẾN "to arrive" generalized to "until, up to". Or 𧵑 CỦA "belongings" generalized to "from, of". This phenomenon is frequent in Vietnamese. So for me 吏 is both, noun and adverb. - 2013/12/20 Trung Nguyen ［SaigonSarang (討論) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)］
7. 吏 and 吏. Ok, because I love the simplier thing. - 2013/12/20 阮大瞿越 ［SaigonSarang (討論) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)］

• 又

1. I use 又 and 吏, respectively. - November 12 at 1:37pm Steve Thanh Pham（SaigonSarang (討論) 11:54 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）
2. My Nom dictionary categorised as follow though, 又 for again/still, 來 to come/arrive, 吏 official. - November 12 at 3:19pm 朱愛國 （SaigonSarang (討論) 11:59 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）

• 吏

1. i stil prefer 吏 for both although 吏 was more common in the 18 century. - 2013/12/30 Nguyễn Việt Khôi ［SaigonSarang (討論) 16:04 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)］

Lại²

㐌 (đã) 確定 (xác định) The standard Nom has been determined according to the 格撰𡨸喃 and Voting rule. Please leave a message here if you disagree with the result.

討論 (thảo luận) 吧 (và) 𠬃票 (bỏ phiếu)

現

The voting was finished and the Standard Nom has been determined (Please do not change the contents). - 吏 - 8/13 (61.5%). SaigonSarang (討論) 17:11 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)

• 吏

1. --SaigonSarang (討論) 13:19 𣈜19𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)
2. --杜澎栩(Đỗ Bành Hủ)（討論） 13:48 𣈜19𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)
3. I use 又 and 吏, respectively. - November 12 at 1:37pm Steve Thanh Pham（SaigonSarang (討論) 11:54 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）
4. They are: 吏 （Both of them) - Châu Hải Đường ［SaigonSarang (討論) 13:19 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)］
5. 吏 - 2013/12/20 15:27:37 - Sky Darmos ［SaigonSarang (討論) 16:09 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)］
6. I would still use 吏 for both, as that was the most commonly used in the 19th century, when Nôm was becoming more regular. - 2013/12/20 Kadri Kirikumees ［SaigonSarang (討論) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)］
7. I tend to regard "again" as the result of a de-lexicalization or generalization of "to come". Similar to 旦 ĐẾN "to arrive" generalized to "until, up to". Or 𧵑 CỦA "belongings" generalized to "from, of". This phenomenon is frequent in Vietnamese. So for me 吏 is both, noun and adverb. - 2013/12/20 Trung Nguyen ［SaigonSarang (討論) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)］
8. 吏 and 吏. Ok, because I love the simplier thing. - 2013/12/20 阮大瞿越 ［SaigonSarang (討論) 16:56 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)］

• 來

1. My Nom dictionary categorised as follow though, 又 for again/still, 來 to come/arrive, 吏 official. - November 12 at 3:19pm 朱愛國（SaigonSarang (討論) 11:59 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）
2. - Tin Tin（SaigonSarang (討論) 12:11 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）
3. - Shuping Sheldon Dang（SaigonSarang (討論) 12:11 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）

• 吏

1. I usually use 吏 (historic 來). I think both LẠI came from Chinese 來. - November 12 at 11:16pm Nguyễn Việt Khôi（SaigonSarang (討論) 12:11 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)）
2. - TienZomby Tran ［SaigonSarang (討論) 12:35 𣈜20𣎃12𢆥2013 (ICT)］